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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast · Nov 12, 2025

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella discusses AI's capital-intensive future, balancing the OpenAI partnership, and building infrastructure for a world of autonomous agents.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella views AI as a 'cognitive amplifier,' not an imminent human replacement.

Nadella adopts a grounded perspective on AI's current state. He likens it to past technological revolutions, viewing it as a powerful tool that enhances human intellect and productivity, rather than subscribing to the more mystical 'final revolution' narrative about AGI.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft frames AI research compute as an R&D expense to justify proactive investment.

To navigate the massive capital requirements of AI, Nadella reframes the investment in cutting-edge training infrastructure. Instead of being purely reactive to customer demand, a significant portion is considered R&D, allowing for sustained, order-of-magnitude scaling necessary for breakthroughs.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft treats global demands for 'sovereign AI' as a core business requirement.

As countries from Europe to India demand sovereign control over AI, Microsoft leverages its decades of experience with local regulation and data centers. It builds sovereign clouds and offers services that give nations control, turning a potential geopolitical challenge into a competitive advantage.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft bets data-rich 'scaffolding' will capture value as open-source models commoditize AI.

Nadella posits a future where the winner isn't the company with the best model. Instead, value accrues to the platform that provides the data, context, and tools (the 'scaffolding') that make any model useful, especially as capable open-source alternatives proliferate.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft's per-user software business will evolve into a per-agent infrastructure business.

As AI agents become autonomous workers, Microsoft's business model will shift from selling tools to humans to provisioning infrastructure for AI agents. This includes compute (Windows 365), security, and identity for these new digital employees, billed on a per-agent basis.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft has IP rights to all OpenAI system-level innovations, excluding only consumer hardware.

The partnership goes far beyond a customer relationship. Microsoft receives the intellectual property for OpenAI's system designs and innovations, which it can then use to build infrastructure for OpenAI and extend for its own purposes, a critical and little-known aspect of their deal.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft paused datacenter expansion to avoid costly lock-in with a single generation of AI chips.

Despite appearing to lose ground to competitors, Microsoft's 2023 pause in leasing new datacenter sites was a strategic move. It aimed to prevent over-investing in hardware that would soon be outdated, ensuring it could pivot to newer, more power-dense and efficient architectures.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft will counter high AI COGS by massively expanding the market, mirroring its cloud transition.

AI's high computational cost (COGS) threatens SaaS margins. Nadella explains that just as the cloud expanded the market for computing far beyond the original server-license model, AI will create entirely new categories and user bases, offsetting the higher costs.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Microsoft builds data centers linking separate regions into a single training supercomputer.

Microsoft's new data centers, like Fairwater 2, are designed for massive scale. They use high-speed networking to aggregate computing power across different sites and even regions (e.g., Atlanta and Wisconsin), enabling training of unprecedentedly large models on a single job.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Custom OpenAI enterprise partnerships, beyond simple API calls, must run on Microsoft Azure.

Microsoft's deal with OpenAI includes a powerful exclusivity clause. If a third-party company wants to do a deep, custom integration or model training with OpenAI, that workload must be hosted on Azure, effectively funneling major enterprise AI deals through Microsoft's cloud.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

GitHub's strategy is to become the indispensable control plane for all AI coding agents.

Faced with growing competition in AI coding assistants, Microsoft's GitHub is positioning itself as the central hub. By becoming the 'Agent HQ' where developers can manage and deploy multiple competing agents, GitHub ensures its platform's growth regardless of which agent wins.

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Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago