Elias Torres argues that revenue is not the ultimate validator of a product. He has seen founders with $50 million in revenue who are "delusional" that their product truly works or is sticky. This time, he is prioritizing user obsession and product stickiness over early monetization to avoid this trap.
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Instead of setting early revenue targets, new products should focus on a more telling metric: getting a small cohort of sophisticated users to become obsessed. This deep engagement is a leading indicator of product-market fit and provides the necessary insights to scale to the next 50 users.
Despite hundreds of thousands of users, Hera's founder doesn't believe they have product-market fit. Their true benchmark is when a user can create a complete one-minute product video in under 30 minutes. This focus on a core, high-value workflow supersedes vanity metrics like user growth.
Product-market fit isn't just growth; it's an extreme market pull where customers buy your product despite its imperfections. The ultimate signal is when deals close quickly and repeatedly, with users happily ignoring missing features because the core value proposition is so urgent and compelling.
Founders often mistake $1M ARR for product-market fit. The real milestone is proven repeatability: a predictable way to find and win a specific customer profile who reliably renews and expands. This signal of a scalable business model typically emerges closer to the $5M-$10M ARR mark.
The biggest initial hurdle for a new product isn't getting the first dollar of revenue; it's crossing the chasm from a user trying the product once to becoming a truly engaged, repeat user. This "penny gap of engagement" is the most critical early milestone to overcome for long-term success.
PMF isn't a fixed state achieved once. It's a continuous process that must be re-evaluated at every stage of growth—from $1M to $1B. A company might have PMF for one scale but not for the next, requiring a constant evolution of strategy and product.
Having paying customers doesn't automatically mean you have strong product-market fit. The founder warns against this self-deception, describing their early traction as a "partial vacuum"—good enough to survive, but not to thrive. Being "ruthlessly honest" about this gap is critical for making necessary, company-defining pivots.
