Dinoosh says Clone raised $24 million over five years, a small budget for inventing muscles, miniaturized valves and a hydraulic power unit. Early VCs thought he was crazy, but he says the team did “pretty insane work” without off-the-shelf parts.
Chris Williamson says ElevenLabs’ Archer voice copied his distinctive Cockney accent; ElevenLabs says a different actor supplied it and pulled the voice. Jason says the confusion—people asking Williamson if he made videos he didn’t—gives him a strong legal case.
Lon and Jason worry that letting Anthropic’s leaders define the public benefit could turn the lab into an ideological church. Lon says mixing soul, deity and religion into technical research feels like blasphemy and makes him uncomfortable.
Jason and Lon discuss Trump accounts that hold shares until age 18. Jason says that restriction forces kids to watch the value move and learn ownership, much like getting a car teaches registration, insurance and inspection—a financial stack schools don’t teach.
Dinoosh says Clone bet that frontier models and robot data would improve without it building the brain. He argues model half-life is six to twelve months, so the company focused on defensible muscle hardware and plans to post-train open checkpoints with its own robot data later.
Jason asks whether Clone will rent robots for $10 an hour; Dinoosh says he expects to sell them so customers get payback. He floats an affordable model for everyone and a Louis Vuitton-like luxury line at around $1 million.
Odyssey posted a simulated fruit-fly brain flying through worlds generated by its model. Jason and Lon say if a fly’s tiny brain can be fooled by the simulation, humans face the same uncomfortable question about whether our reality is generated.
Jason says Anthropic’s public-benefit structure puts donated shares under leaders’ control, which he calls a potential “slush fund.” He contrasts that with Elon Musk’s proposal to give every American kid one SpaceX share directly, arguing direct ownership avoids middlemen and division.
Jason says the film goes beyond Theranos to examine Silicon Valley’s fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, whether tech leaders are sociopaths or just different, and who owns truth. He calls it a meta-commentary on personal responsibility layered on top of Holmes’s story.
Dinoosh Radhakrishnan says Tesla and Boston Dynamics use motors pulling tendons, while Clone pressurizes an elastomeric tube wrapped in a braided sleeve. That contraction mimics muscle inside a human-sized silhouette, which he says motor actuation struggles to fit.
Dinoosh says he met his Polish co-founder on Facebook in 2020 and moved to Poland the next year. He had been building a software company to fund his lifelong android dream, then bet the muscle technology was fertile enough to start.
After the Williamson dispute, Jason says Matthew McConaughey has trademarked his image, likeness and voice. He predicts public figures will need to trademark catchphrases and distinctive speech patterns as voice cloning makes confusion easier.
Jason says owning even one SpaceX share makes a kid root for the rocket to reach orbit. He compares it to buying a few Meta shares and cheering the stock despite disliking its products because a small stake creates a cheerleader.
Dinoosh says Clone’s design can be produced at a tenth of the cost of motor-actuated humanoids because it uses a different supply chain. Lon notes the gears those rivals need are expensive and sourced from the same bottlenecked suppliers.
Dinoosh expects first clones with human-level bimanual manipulation—using a power drill, screw or hammer—to deploy as early as Q1 2027. He frames enterprise as the beachhead because stationary, repetitive work delivers value before home butlers.