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  1. A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders
  2. He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd
He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders · Oct 13, 2025

Bugcrowd founder Casey Ellis shares his journey of creating a marketplace for ethical hackers, overcoming market perceptions, and raising $180M.

Bug Crowd Uses a SaaS Fee, Not a Take Rate, to Power Its Security Marketplace

Instead of a traditional marketplace model with a take rate on transactions (bounties), Bug Crowd charges customers a recurring SaaS fee for platform access. The bounty payments flow directly to hackers. This aligns incentives better, as the company profits from providing platform value, not from the volume of vulnerabilities found.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

Problem-Solution Fit Without Product-Market Fit Is a Tree Falling in an Empty Forest

Technical founders often create a perfect solution to a real problem but still fail. That's because problem-solution fit is useless without product-market fit. An elegant solution that isn't plugged into the market—with the right GTM, pricing, and messaging—solves nothing in practice. It's unheard and unseen.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

A 7-Person Startup Dominated a Conference by Giving Away 500 Clever T-Shirts

To stand out at a major conference, the 7-person Bug Crowd team skipped the expensive booth. Instead, they printed 500 t-shirts with a clever hacker slogan ("My other computer is your computer") and gave them away. This created the illusion of a massive presence and sparked conversations for a fraction of the cost.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

Security Marketplaces Have a Negative Feedback Loop; Data Is the Real Moat

In a security marketplace, customers don't *want* to find the "product" (vulnerabilities), creating a negative feedback loop unlike eBay. Bug Crowd's founder realized the moat couldn't just be network effects; it had to be the proprietary data used to match the right hackers to the right problems, maximizing success for both sides.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

Always Hire Your First Two Sales Reps Together, Never Just One

When making your first sales hires, never hire just one person. Hire two. This instantly creates healthy competition and camaraderie. More importantly, it provides a crucial benchmark. If one succeeds and the other fails, you know the problem is the rep. If both fail, the problem is likely your product or market.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

Use an "Ascending Close" in Customer Discovery to Build Inevitable Buy-In

Instead of pitching an idea, Bug Crowd's founder used an "ascending close." He asked customers a series of simple questions based on logic (e.g., "Do you think 50 people would outperform one?"). Each "yes" built momentum, leading them to agree with the core value proposition before the solution was even introduced.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

Bug Crowd Validated Its Marketplace MVP Using Only MailChimp and Wufoo

Bug Crowd proved its two-sided marketplace viability without writing code. They used social media to attract 5,000 hackers and managed them via MailChimp. They used Wufoo forms for vulnerability submissions. The first code was only written on a plane to San Francisco for their seed round, after validating the core model.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

US VCs Fund Market Creation, While Australian VCs Prefer Predictable 'Sausage Machines'

Bug Crowd's founder learned his Australian VC pitch, focused on predictable ROI (a "sausage machine"), fell flat in the US. American VCs wanted a massive, category-creating vision. He had to reframe his pitch from a "better pen test" to a fundamental shift in the "future of work" for cybersecurity to succeed.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago

Refine Your Technical Pitch on Non-Technical Uber Drivers to Force Simplicity

Bug Crowd's founder tested his pitch on Uber drivers. If he could explain his complex cybersecurity company in 30 seconds without jargon and get them to lean in, he knew the message was strong. This simplicity helps even when selling to technical experts who are time-poor and need to explain the product internally.

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd thumbnail

He tested his pitch on Uber drivers—then built a cybersecurity platform to $180M raised. | Casey Ellis, Founder of Bugcrowd

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·4 months ago