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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast · Jul 22, 2026

Mastercard's new CMO Jill Kramer shares her approach to leadership: earn trust, foster creativity with an "early, ugly, often" model, and lead change.

Mastercard's CMO Used a 'Talk About Me Without Me' Exercise to Build Trust Fast

To get honest feedback as a new leader, Jill Kramer had her leadership team discuss her for 90 minutes without her present. This exercise provided crucial, unfiltered insights on her performance and what the team needed from her, accelerating trust.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

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Acknowledge Successor Differences Openly to Smooth Leadership Transitions

When Jill Kramer succeeded a long-tenured CMO, he advised her to embrace their differences, stating it was 'right for the company.' This upfront acknowledgment gave the team permission to adapt and move forward, preventing resistance to change.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

Use the 'Early, Ugly, Often' Method to Invert the Creative Approval Process

Jill Kramer advocates showing rough, incomplete creative concepts to decision-makers early and often. This 'early, ugly, often' approach calibrates direction from the start, preventing wasted effort on polished ideas that are misaligned with leadership’s gut reaction.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

Foster a Creative Culture by Celebrating Creativity in Non-Creative Roles

To build a truly creative culture, leaders must expand the definition beyond traditional creative outputs. Jill Kramer makes a point of identifying and celebrating strategic creativity, such as in a data analysis presentation, to empower all team members to think differently.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

Creator Marketing Budgets Must Be Built from a Clean Slate, Not Retrofitted

To effectively integrate creator marketing, brands must treat it as a distinct strategy requiring its own budget. Jill Kramer advises starting with a 'clean sheet of paper' rather than incrementally shifting funds from traditional media, which leads to half-measures.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

Leverage AI for Insight Mining and Personalization, But Protect Human Creative Craft

Mastercard's CMO sees AI's primary value at the bookends of the marketing process: for insight mining at the start and for personalization at the end. She cautions against using it to replace core human skills like writing, which is essential for sharpening thoughts.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

A Marketer's Generosity Is Measured by How Others Adopt Their Ideas

Jill Kramer defines marketing as a 'very generous profession.' Success isn't about pride of ownership over an idea; it's about giving the idea away so effectively that others take it on as their own. When the team takes it from you, you've succeeded.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

Leaders Should Adopt a 'Dolphin' Style to Balance Strategy and Execution

To avoid micromanaging while staying connected to the work, leaders can operate like a dolphin: staying at the strategic surface but periodically deep-diving into specific projects. This requires asking the team's permission to join, framing it as a learning opportunity.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago

New Leaders Must Frame Probing Questions as Tools for Understanding, Not Challenge

To prevent teams from becoming defensive, new leaders who ask many questions must explicitly state their intent. Jill Kramer regularly tells her team she asks questions 'to understand,' not 'to challenge,' which fosters psychological safety and open dialogue.

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Beyond "Priceless" // Mastercard's Next Chapter with Jill Kramer

The CMO Podcast·20 hours ago