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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast · Nov 25, 2025

Ilya Sutskever argues AI is entering a new 'age of research' beyond scaling, focusing on solving generalization to build safe superintelligence.

The Paradox of Cheap Ideas in the Age of Scaling

The mantra 'ideas are cheap' fails in the current AI paradigm. With 'scaling' as the dominant execution strategy, the industry has more companies than novel ideas. This makes truly new concepts, not just execution, the scarcest resource and the primary bottleneck for breakthrough progress.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

AI's Core Bottleneck Is Poor Generalization, Not Scale

The most fundamental challenge in AI today is not scale or architecture, but the fact that models generalize dramatically worse than humans. Solving this sample efficiency and robustness problem is the true key to unlocking the next level of AI capabilities and real-world impact.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Aligning to 'Sentient Life' May Be Easier Than 'Humanity'

An advanced AI will likely be sentient. Therefore, it may be easier to align it to a general principle of caring for all sentient life—a group to which it belongs—rather than the narrower, more alien concept of caring only for humanity. This leverages a potential for emergent, self-inclusive empathy.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

Human Emotions Are Evolution's Hardcoded Value Function

Emotions act as a robust, evolutionarily-programmed value function guiding human decision-making. The absence of this function, as seen in brain damage cases, leads to a breakdown in practical agency. This suggests a similar mechanism may be crucial for creating effective and stable AI agents.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

True AGI Is a Continual Learner, Not a Pre-Trained Oracle

The popular conception of AGI as a pre-trained system that knows everything is flawed. A more realistic and powerful goal is an AI with a human-like ability for continual learning. This system wouldn't be deployed as a finished product, but as a 'super-intelligent 15-year-old' that learns and adapts to specific roles.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

AI Models Are Over-Specialized 'Competitive Programmers'

Current AI models resemble a student who grinds 10,000 hours on a narrow task. They achieve superhuman performance on benchmarks but lack the broad, adaptable intelligence of someone with less specific training but better general reasoning. This explains the gap between eval scores and real-world utility.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

AI's Cyclical Return to the 'Age of Research'

The era of advancing AI simply by scaling pre-training is ending due to data limits. The field is re-entering a research-heavy phase focused on novel, more efficient training paradigms beyond just adding more compute to existing recipes. The bottleneck is shifting from resources back to ideas.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago

The Unsolved Mystery of How Evolution Encodes Abstract Desires

It is a profound mystery how evolution hardcodes abstract social desires (e.g., reputation) into our genome. Unlike simple sensory rewards, these require complex cognitive processing to even identify. Solving this could unlock powerful new methods for instilling robust, high-level values in AI systems.

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Ilya Sutskever – The age of scaling is over

Dwarkesh Podcast·3 months ago