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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast · Dec 5, 2025

Brand legends David Acker & Marcus Collins discuss brand-led leadership, culture, and the "Five Bs" framework to combat short-termism.

Brand Differentiation Is Insufficient; It Must Also Be Intriguing

Marketing guru David Aaker argues that for a brand to stand out, being different isn't enough. The point of differentiation must be actively "intriguing" to capture attention and resonate with audiences. He cites the Haas Business School's "confidence without attitude" as an example of an intriguing brand pillar.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

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True Brand Leadership Is Choosing Conviction When It's Inconvenient

Marketing professor Marcus Collins argues that the true test of brand leadership isn't crafting a purpose statement, but adhering to it when faced with challenges or pressure on shareholder value. Many leaders evangelize their brand's point of view only when convenient, which ultimately undermines authenticity.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

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Use Social Purpose as a "Branded Energizer" to Revitalize Mature Categories

David Aaker reframes social purpose not just as philanthropy but as a strategic tool to inject energy into low-interest product categories. He cites Dove's "Real Beauty" campaign, which attached the brand to an energizing social program and grew the business from $2.6B to $6.5B as a result.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast·2 months ago

Disruptive Innovation Is The Only Path to Growth, and Branding Is Its Missing Ingredient

David Aaker posits that true market growth comes only from disruptive innovation, not from "my brand is better than yours" incrementalism. He criticizes seminal works on innovation for ignoring that branding is essential to position the new category, build barriers to entry, and make the innovation successful.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast·2 months ago

A Brand's Ideology, Not Its Product, Grants It Permission to Join Cultural Conversations

Marcus Collins explains that brands limited to their product (e.g., toothpaste) have little to talk about. However, a brand with a broader ideology (like Nike's belief that "Every human body is an athlete") gains entry and authority to engage in wider cultural discourse, creating significant energy and relevance.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast·2 months ago

Microsoft's Shift to an Empathy-Driven Culture Fueled Its Rise from $300B to $3T

Satya Nadella's transformation of Microsoft's culture from insular and "know-it-all" to a "learn-it-all" culture grounded in empathy was not just a PR move. This change in brand DNA, measurable in consumer perception, directly correlated with a tenfold increase in its market capitalization, proving culture's financial impact.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast·2 months ago

Find Your Company's "Secret Sauce" and Brand It, Even If It Seems Abstract

David Aaker identifies a simple, powerful tactic: ask your team what makes the company special—its "secret sauce"—and turn that into a formal brand asset. He argues even abstract concepts, like a unique way of treating people, can be branded (e.g., "the HP way") to create a potent, ownable differentiator.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast·2 months ago

David Aaker's "Five Bs" Framework Reclaims Brand as a Strategic Asset Against Short-Termism

Reacting to a regression towards tactical performance marketing, branding expert David Aaker introduced his "Five Bs" framework (Relevance, Image, Loyalty, Portfolio, Equity). It reminds leaders that brand is a long-term asset and notably includes "Brand Portfolio" to emphasize that a strong brand rarely stands alone, requiring co-brands and endorsers.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Getting Brand Buy In & Activating the Playbook // With David Aaker and Marcus Collins

The CMO Podcast·2 months ago