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  2. Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement
Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast · Mar 17, 2026

Experts Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller explore the future of T-cell and NK-cell engagers, discussing advantages over CAR-T and new frontiers.

Antigen Loss, Not Efficacy, is The True Showstopper for Cell Engager Therapies

Dr. Patrick Baeuerle argues the biggest challenge for cell engagers and CAR-T therapies is not killing power but the tumor's ability to down-regulate or lose the target antigen. This heterogeneity is a fundamental escape mechanism that future multi-targeting strategies must address to prevent relapse.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

Peptide-MHC Engagers Face a Crippling HLA-Restriction Barrier

While targeting intracellular peptide-MHC complexes opens the entire proteome as potential cancer targets, the approach is limited by HLA restriction. This means a drug might only be applicable to 30-40% of patients, a major commercial and clinical drawback that complicates development despite the potential for exquisite specificity.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

NK-Cell Engagers Offer Superior Safety by Avoiding T-Cell Cytokine Storms

NK-cell engagers produce significantly fewer secondary inflammatory cytokines, like IL-6, compared to T-cell engagers. This fundamental biological difference could make them safer and more suitable for administration in community settings, lowering a key barrier to adoption for potent immunotherapies.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

Conditionally Activated Engagers Unlock a Vast Pool of "Dirty" Solid Tumor Targets

Many promising solid tumor antigens (e.g., PSMA, HER2) are also on normal tissues, making them too toxic for T-cell engagers. By using masks that are cleaved only in the tumor microenvironment, these "dirty" targets become viable, dramatically expanding the therapeutic landscape for solid cancers.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

Standard of Care Combinations Offer a Faster Path to Efficacy Than Co-Stimulation Engineering

Dr. Patrick Baeuerle suggests that instead of engineering complex co-stimulatory signals into T-cell engagers, a more effective strategy is to combine them with standard-of-care treatments like chemotherapy or ADCs. This approach dramatically augments efficacy and has already prompted multiple Phase 3 trials.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

Minimal Residual Disease Is the Ideal Battlefield for Immune Cell Engagers

Both experts advocate shifting immune cell engager use from late-stage, high-burden cancer to a minimal residual disease (MRD) setting. Treating a low tumor load maximizes the effector-to-target ratio, enhances efficacy, and significantly reduces side effects, potentially moving these therapies to first-line combinations.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

IL-15 in NK-Cell Engagers Boosts Effector-to-Target Ratios In Vivo

Incorporating IL-15 into NK-cell engagers goes beyond simple co-stimulation; it actively expands the NK cell population in the patient's body. This overcomes the naturally low number of NK cells relative to T cells, boosting the effector-to-target ratio and enhancing the therapy's overall potency.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago

T-Cell Engagers Mitigate Exhaustion by Recruiting a Vast Endogenous T-Cell Army

Unlike CAR-T therapies that rely on a limited number of engineered cells, T-cell engagers activate the body's entire T-cell repertoire. This vast pool of effector cells makes exhaustion a negligible issue, as only a small fraction is engaged at any time, ensuring a sustained attack on cancer cells.

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Episode: 83 - Patrick Baeuerle and Jeffrey Miller on the Prospects of Immune Cell Engagement

The Chain: Protein Engineering Podcast·a month ago