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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel · Apr 27, 2026

UL Solutions CEO Jennifer Scanlon on the complex business of safety, the challenges of certifying AI, and navigating a market of uncertified tech.

Competitors Proactively Ask UL for New Standards to Level the Playing Field

Contrary to the belief that companies resist regulation, UL's customers often initiate the standards-creation process for new innovations. They view universal standards as a way to de-risk technology, ensure fair competition, and create a stable, trusted marketplace.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

UL's CEO Cedes Final Authority to Scientists to Protect the Company's Core Asset: Trust

UL Solutions CEO Jennifer Scanlon enforces a strict policy of never overruling the scientific and engineering judgments of her lab technicians. This protects the integrity of their testing process, which is the foundation of the company's brand and business.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

UL Employs a Market Surveillance Team to Sue Sellers with Fake Certifications on Amazon

Protecting the UL mark's value requires active enforcement. The company maintains a market surveillance and anti-counterfeiting team that collaborates with customs and competitors to find and legally pursue sellers on platforms like Amazon using fraudulent UL certifications.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

Safety Standards Go Global by Targeting Hyper-Local Legislation in Key Markets

UL achieves widespread adoption not through federal law, but by embedding safety standards into a single major city's legislation (e.g., NYC for e-bikes). This forces manufacturers to adopt that standard globally to avoid producing multiple, costly product versions.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

UL CEO's Office Rattles from Controlled Explosions in the Testing Lab Below

Jennifer Scanlon, CEO of UL Solutions, confirms that a core part of their safety work involves destructive testing. Her own office is situated above a hazardous location testing lab and occasionally shakes from the controlled explosions, highlighting the physical nature of the work.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

UL's AI Safety Standard Audits Human Development Processes, Not Unpredictable Code

Faced with non-deterministic AI models, UL's approach to safety certification isn't to test the code's output. It audits the development process, focusing on over 200 criteria for how humans make decisions about data veracity, bias, transparency, and privacy.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

UL's Authority Stems from a Powerful Mix of Insurance, Government, and Tort Law Incentives

UL's relevance isn't based on a single source of power. It's a combination of insurance companies requiring certification to underwrite policies, various government agencies mandating it, and the high stakes of the US tort system, where certification can be a key defense in liability lawsuits.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago

UL's Public For-Profit Arm Funds Its Non-Profit Standards Body via a Secondary IPO

To compete with for-profit rivals, UL split its testing business (UL Solutions) from its standards and research arms. The for-profit company went public in a secondary offering, with the proceeds funding the non-profit's endowment to continue its safety science work.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Decoder with Nilay Patel·2 days ago