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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

Big Technology Podcast · Feb 25, 2026

Author Michael Pollan discusses whether AI can achieve consciousness, arguing the brain is not a computer and true feeling requires a mortal body.

Anesthetizing Plants Suggests They Possess a Form of Sentience

Common anesthetics that render humans unconscious also work on plants, stopping their observable behaviors. This implies plants have two distinct states—awake and asleep. The difference between these states suggests it is 'like something' to be a plant, a fundamental argument for sentience.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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Author Michael Pollan Argues True AI Consciousness Requires a Mortal, Suffering Body

Pollan posits that genuine feelings, a cornerstone of consciousness, are inseparable from having a vulnerable, mortal body that can experience suffering. Without this physical embodiment and the risk of harm, AI emotions are mere simulations, lacking the weight of real experience.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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A Proposed Test for AI Consciousness: Train a Model Without Data on Human Feelings

To truly test for emergent consciousness, an AI should be trained on a dataset explicitly excluding all human discussion of consciousness, feelings, novels, and poetry. If the model can then independently articulate subjective experience, it would be powerful evidence of genuine consciousness, not just sophisticated mimicry.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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Silicon Valley's Focus on AI Feelings Ignores Pressing Human Moral Failures

The tech industry's preoccupation with 'fun thought experiments' about the future moral status of conscious AI can be a distraction. Pollan argues it sidesteps the immediate ethical imperative to extend moral consideration to the vast number of humans and animals currently suffering in the world today.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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The Brain-as-Computer Metaphor Fails Because Brains Don't Separate Hardware and Software

Unlike computers, human brains have no distinction between hardware and software; every memory physically alters the brain's structure. Furthermore, neurons are not simple on/off transistors; their firing is influenced by a complex chemical bath of hormones and neurotransmitters, making them more analog than digital.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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A Neuroscientist's Theory: Consciousness Is 'Felt Uncertainty' From Conflicting Needs

Neuroscientist Mark Soames posits that consciousness isn't about higher-order thought but arises from the feeling of uncertainty when basic, conflicting needs must be resolved (e.g., being both hungry and tired). This primitive, embodied decision-making process is the foundational spark of conscious experience.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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Human Time Perception Blinds Us to the Intentional Actions of Slower Organisms

When sped up, a bean sprout's movement reveals clear intent, making a 'beeline' for a support rather than flailing randomly. Our slow perception relative to plants makes us misinterpret their deliberate actions as passive growth, highlighting a fundamental bias in how we assess intelligence.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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MIT Sociologist Sherry Turkle Warns Technology Makes Us 'Forget What We Know About Life'

Technology, like chatbots and emojis, encourages us to accept simplified simulations of complex human realities like conversation and emotion. This habituates us to a less nuanced view of life, stripping away subtleties like body language, skepticism, and shared context that define genuine interaction.

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Can AI Achieve Consciousness? — With Michael Pollan

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