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  1. A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders
  2. He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots
He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders · Sep 22, 2025

From Israeli intelligence to construction tech, BuildDots' founder shares how deep immersion and a key product pivot led to 4x YoY growth.

Observe Customers' Real Workflows, Not Their Idealized Interview Answers

Customers describe an idealized version of their world in interviews. To understand their true problems and workflows, you must be physically present. This uncovers the crucial gap between their perception and day-to-day reality.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Early B2B Founders Must Act as a "Data Monkey" for Their First Customers

Early enterprise customers won't invest time to become proficient with a complex data tool. Founders must join their meetings, operate the software for them, and surface insights to demonstrate value. This manual "data monkey" role is crucial for driving initial adoption.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

First-Time Founder Naivety is a Superpower for Tackling "Insane" Problems

A full understanding of a complex industry's challenges can be paralyzing. The founder of Buildots admitted he wouldn't have started the company if he knew how hard it would be. Naivety allows founders to tackle enormous problems that experienced operators might avoid entirely.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Manually Deliver a Feature's Value in Excel Before Committing Engineering Resources

Before building a complex feature, validate its value by manually creating the desired output for customers. The Buildots team used Excel to generate performance insights from their data. Only after seeing customers act on these manual reports did they productize the feature.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Seemingly Irrational Customer Behavior Often Serves a Hidden, Long-Term Goal

When customers engage in irrational behavior, like setting impossible deadlines, it's often a calculated, long-term strategy to manipulate internal systems. One manager documented missed deadlines not to enforce them, but to build a case for more resources from his superiors.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Your Early "AI" Product Might Be Your Entire Company Manually Processing Data

Early versions of AI-driven products often rely heavily on human intervention. The founder sold an AI solution, but in the beginning, his entire 15-person team manually processed videos behind the scenes, acting as the "AI" to deliver results to the first customer.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Some VCs Reject Entire Markets, Offering Funding for a Pivot on the Spot

Early-stage founders may face rejection because a VC has a pre-existing bias against their market. A Buildots founder was told "I'm not going to invest in construction" but was offered a $4M check to pivot to cybersecurity, demonstrating some investors have hard "no-go" zones.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Customers' Immediate Acceptance of a Price Hike Signals You're Underpriced

When negotiating a price increase, if the customer accepts immediately without pushback, it’s a strong signal you've significantly underpriced your product. Buildots' founder prepared for a negotiation over a 4x price increase, but the client agreed instantly, revealing the product's true value.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago

Shift from Selling a Data Tool to Selling Proactive, High-Stakes Alerts

Buildots' growth inflection happened when they stopped selling a data platform and started selling proactive risk alerts. The pitch changed from "Here's data to help you" to "If you don't fix this now, your project will fail." This simplified the value proposition and created urgency.

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots thumbnail

He spent 5 months working with customers before building—then grew to $10s of millions ARR. | Aviv Leibovici, co-founder of Buildots

A Product Market Fit Show | Startup Podcast for Founders·5 months ago