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  1. Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn
  2. 989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib
989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn · May 5, 2026

Rubrik's Anneka Gupta & Cal Al-Dhubaib tackle Mythos-era agentic risks, advocating for a 'zero trust' approach to AI security and resilience.

In a Breach, Answering "What Was the Impact?" Is Now More Critical Than "How Did They Get In?"

In the age of rapid, AI-driven attacks, the first question for leadership is no longer forensics but blast radius assessment. Understanding what data was affected, if it was sensitive, and where the infection started is paramount for a swift and safe recovery.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

Enterprise AI Literacy Must Become Mandatory Training Focusing on Obligation and Risk

AI literacy needs to mirror mandatory cybersecurity training, which emphasizes employee duty, risk, and the potential impact of misuse on customers and reputation. This shifts the focus from "what can AI do?" to "what is my responsibility when using it?"

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

AI Agents Eliminate Dwell Time, Forcing Security to Shift from Prevention to Recovery

Previously, attackers spent weeks inside a system before striking. AI agents can now find and exploit vulnerabilities at machine speed, rendering traditional detection insufficient. The focus must now be on immediate recovery and resilience, assuming a breach has already occurred.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

Non-Deterministic AI Agents Must Be Governed by Other AI Agents, Not Simple Rule Engines

Traditional systems can be controlled with simple, deterministic rules. Because modern AI agents are inherently unpredictable, effective governance requires using another layer of AI. A specialized AI must monitor, interpret, and block the actions of other agents in real-time.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

Enterprise AI Creates a "Non-Human Identity" Explosion, Expanding Cyber Attack Surfaces

Each AI agent acting on a user's behalf creates a new "non-human identity" with its own keys and API access. This proliferation of autonomous agents dramatically increases the number of potential exploit points, a problem traditional security models weren't designed to handle.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

AI Agents Nullify "Security Through Obscurity" by Exhaustively Searching All Permissions

Previously, systems were passively protected because humans wouldn't explore the full extent of their permissions. Hyper-productive AI agents can now perform exhaustive searches of every available data asset and tool, uncovering and exploiting misconfigured permissions that were once hidden in plain sight.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

"Trust Engineering" Combines Human-Centered Design and Technical Safeguards for Safer AI

AI safety requires more than just technical controls. "Trust Engineering" is an emerging discipline that pairs human-centered design (e.g., clear visual signals from a self-driving car) with robust security infrastructure. This holistic approach manages user expectations and system behavior simultaneously.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

Custom Small Language Models Outperform GPT on Niche Tasks like AI Policy Enforcement

For specialized, high-stakes tasks like real-time AI policy enforcement, a custom-trained Small Language Model (SLM) can be superior to a general frontier model. Rubrik's SAGE SLM achieved higher accuracy and 5x faster processing by optimizing for performance, cost, and low latency.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago

The AI Era Demands Cross-Functional Roles Like Dedicated AI Attorneys to Bridge Tech and Risk

AI problems span technology, security, and legal domains, making single-discipline experts insufficient. The future belongs to cross-functional professionals who bridge these gaps. The emergence of roles like a dedicated "AI attorney" within tech companies signals this significant shift in enterprise talent requirements.

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989: Security for Mythos-Era Agentic Risks, with Rubrik’s Anneka Gupta and Cal Al-Dhubaib

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn·2 months ago