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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show · Sep 16, 2025

Hacker and inventor Pablos Holman on applying a hacker's mindset to solve global problems with deep tech, from nuclear energy to autonomous ships.

Learn Complex Skills Like Coding and Salsa via "Reverse Engineering," Not Choreography

An alternative to structured learning is to immerse yourself and experiment relentlessly. By trying everything and discarding what doesn't work, you build an intuitive, unorthodox mastery. This method prioritizes discovery and practical application over memorizing a pre-defined curriculum.

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The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

Experts Suffer "Professional Liability," Preventing Them From Asking Dumb But Crucial Questions

Formally trained experts are often constrained by the fear of reputational damage if they propose "crazy" ideas. An outsider or "hacker" without these credentials has the freedom to ask naive but fundamental questions that can challenge core assumptions and unlock new avenues of thinking.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

A Hacker's Mindset Asks "What Can I Make This Do?", Not "What Does This Do?"

Innovators and hackers approach technology not by its intended function but by exploring its absolute limits and unintended capabilities. This "off-label use" mindset, which seeks to discover what a system can be forced to do, is the true root of breakthrough problem-solving.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

Skateboarder Rodney Mullen Illustrates the Crucial Difference Between an Inventor and a Crafter

True invention is the painful, lonely process of creating something from nothing (0 to 1), like the first skateboard ollie. Once invented, subsequent replication and improvement is merely craft (1 to n). Society celebrates skilled crafters but often undervalues and fails to support true inventors.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

Hyperscalers Like Google and Meta Will Inadvertently Save Nuclear Energy in the US

The massive energy consumption of AI has made tech giants the most powerful force advocating for new power sources. Their commercial pressure is finally overcoming decades of regulatory inertia around nuclear energy, driving rapid development and deployment of new reactor technologies to meet their insatiable demand.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

Use a 100-Year Time Horizon to Identify Inevitable Technologies, Then Build Them in 10

To vet ambitious ideas like self-sailing cargo ships, first ask if they are an inevitable part of the world in 100 years. This filters for true long-term value. If the answer is yes, the next strategic challenge is to compress that timeline and build it within a 10-year venture cycle.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

Solve the "Lead Domino" Problem First; Energy Precedes Recycling and Carbon Capture

Instead of tackling multiple downstream symptoms, identify and solve the single upstream "lead domino" problem. For example, making energy abundant and cheap through nuclear power makes complex challenges like recycling and carbon capture economically and technically feasible, rather than performative, inefficient gestures.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

China's Engineer-Led Government Outpaces America's Lawyer-Led System in Execution

A nation's leadership class shapes its priorities. China's government, heavily populated by engineers, excels at long-term, systematic infrastructure and technology projects. The US, dominated by lawyers, often gets mired in litigation and short-term cycles, hindering large-scale execution.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago

Deep Tech Investing Flips the SaaS Model: High Technical Risk, Low Market Risk

Unlike SaaS startups focused on finding product-market fit (market risk), deep tech ventures tackle immense technical challenges. If they succeed, they enter massive, pre-existing trillion-dollar markets like energy or shipping where demand is virtually guaranteed, eliminating market risk entirely.

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#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

The Tim Ferriss Show·5 months ago