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  2. First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege
First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · Oct 9, 2025

Scale AI CEO Jason Droege on the shift to expert data training, the future of AI agents, and lessons from launching Uber Eats.

High Enterprise AI Pilot Failure Rates Are a Myth Caused by a Denominator Effect

Headlines about high AI pilot failure rates are misleading because it's incredibly easy to start a project, inflating the denominator of attempts. Robust, successful AI implementations are happening, but they require 6-12 months of serious effort, not the quick wins promised by hype cycles.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

In a Hype Cycle, Prioritize Survival Over Blindly 'Going for It'

Tech culture, especially during hype cycles, glorifies high-risk, all-in bets. However, the most critical factor is often simply surviving long enough for your market timing to be right. Not losing is a precursor to winning. Don't make existential bets when endurance is the real key to success.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

Uber Eats Won by Independently Reconstructing Restaurant Unit Economics

Don't just ask customers about their business—independently verify it. When launching Uber Eats, the team couldn't get clear answers on restaurant economics. So they ordered food, weighed the ingredients, and built their own model, giving them the "ground truth" needed to confidently propose their pricing structure.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

A Core Startup Lesson from Scour Co-Founder: Everything in Business is Negotiable

Co-founding Scour with Travis Kalanick taught Jason Droege that business has no fixed playbook. From wild VC negotiations to legal battles, he learned that if you can imagine a path and align incentives, you can negotiate your way through almost any obstacle.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

A Low Gross Margin Is a Red Flag That Your Business Isn't Adding Enough Value

Use gross margin as a quick filter for a new business idea. A low margin often indicates a lack of differentiation or true value-add. If a customer won't pay a premium, it suggests they have alternatives and you're competing in a commoditized space, facing inevitable margin compression.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

AI Model Training Has Shifted From Simple Tasks to Hours-Long Projects by PhDs

Early AI training involved simple preference tasks. Now, training frontier models requires PhDs and top professionals to perform complex, hours-long tasks like building entire websites or explaining nuanced cancer topics. The demand is for deep, specialized expertise, not just generalist labor.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

Enterprise AI Fails When It Can't Digitize a Company's Specific Human Judgment

Off-the-shelf AI models can only go so far. The true bottleneck for enterprise adoption is "digitizing judgment"—capturing the unique, context-specific expertise of employees within that company. A document's meaning can change entirely from one company to another, requiring internal labeling.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

The Uber Eats Leadership Team Scaled from $0 to $20B by Prioritizing Cohesion Over Experience

Instead of replacing leaders at each growth stage, the Uber Eats management team was built like an "organism" with complementary strengths and was kept largely intact from launch to a $20 billion run rate. This proves a cohesive team that can learn together is more valuable than constantly hiring for "scale experience."

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago

A True Startup Insight Isn't the Idea, But Why You're Uniquely Positioned to See It

In a crowded market, the most critical question for a founder is not "what's the idea?" but "why am I so lucky to have this insight?" You must identify your unique advantage—your "alpha"—that allows you to see something others don't. Without this, you're just another smart person trying things.

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First interview with Scale AI’s CEO: $14B Meta deal, what’s working in enterprise AI, and what frontier labs are building next | Jason Droege

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·4 months ago