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  2. From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)
From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · Sep 21, 2025

Julie Zhu on AI's impact on management: skills for working with agents, dissolving roles into 'builders,' and timeless leadership principles.

Use Data to Diagnose Problems, But Rely on Design to Create Solutions

Data's role is to reveal reality and identify problems or opportunities (the "what" and "where"). It cannot prescribe the solution. The creative, inventive process of design is still required to determine "how" to solve the problem effectively.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

Your Greatest Professional Strength Is Also the Source of Your Biggest Weakness

Self-aware managers recognize that their strengths and weaknesses are two sides of the same coin. For example, being deeply thoughtful (a strength) often means not being quick on your feet in meetings (a weakness). Acknowledging this link is key to personal growth.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

Modern Managers Must Embody the 'Willow Tree': Sturdy in Vision, Flexible in Execution

In an era of accelerating change, a manager's role is to be like a willow tree. They must provide a sturdy, stable vision for the team while remaining highly flexible in how they adapt to storms and changing conditions. This combination builds team resilience.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

Removing Product Managers Forces Engineers to Develop Product Sense

Sundial founder Julie Zhu intentionally avoids hiring product managers. This constraint forces engineers to take full ownership of the product definition and user value, preventing them from delegating critical product thinking and developing a stronger sense of customer empathy.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

Frame Firing as a 'Win-Win' by Focusing on an Employee's Long-Term Success

Firing someone feels adversarial until you reframe it as a win-win. The employee wants to be successful and valued; if your team isn't the right place for that, helping them move on is a service to their career, not a disservice. This mindset changes the entire dynamic.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

Core Management Principles Directly Translate to Effectively Prompting AI Agents

The skills of setting clear goals, understanding resource (model) strengths, and defining processes are the same for managing people and AI agents. Being a great manager makes you a great AI user, as both require clarifying outcomes and marshalling resources to achieve them.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

To Deliver Tough Feedback, First Voice Your Own Vulnerability and Fear

Instead of trying to find the perfect words, preface difficult feedback by stating your own nervousness. Saying, "I'm nervous to share this because I value our relationship," humanizes the interaction, disarms defensiveness, and makes the other person more receptive to the message.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

Hyper-Growth Startups Often Have Poor Data Infrastructure and Rely on Intuition

Julie Zhu observes that many of the fastest-growing companies grow so quickly they don't have time to build robust data logging and observability. They succeed on "good instincts and good vibes," only investing heavily in data infrastructure after growth eventually stalls.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago

A Manager's Lack of Personal Conviction in a Project Is Its Death Sentence

Managers cannot just be soldiers executing orders. If you don't truly believe in a strategy, you cannot effectively inspire your team. You must engage leadership to find an angle you can genuinely support or decompose the idea into testable hypotheses you can commit to.

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From managing people to managing AI: The leadership skills everyone needs now | Julie Zhuo (Facebook VP, Sundial CEO, The Making of a Manager author)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth·5 months ago