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  1. Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson
  2. Special Guest!! Unboring Everything! Money20/20's VP Marketing Kathryn Frankson | Ep. 459
Special Guest!! Unboring Everything! Money20/20's VP Marketing Kathryn Frankson  | Ep. 459

Special Guest!! Unboring Everything! Money20/20's VP Marketing Kathryn Frankson | Ep. 459

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson · Dec 5, 2025

Money2020's Kathryn Frankson explains how to infuse 'boring' B2B marketing with human stories, creativity, and a process to win hearts.

"Boring" B2B Industries Are the Most Fertile Ground for Creative Storytelling

Marketers mistakenly assume B2B industries like finance are dull. In reality, these sectors are filled with compelling human stories about hopes, dreams, and innovation. The perceived lack of creativity is a massive competitive advantage for marketers willing to find and elevate these narratives.

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Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson·2 months ago

A Sales Background Is the Best Training for Creative B2B Marketing

A foundation in one-to-one sales reveals the human element often missing in marketing. This experience highlights the void of genuine storytelling and creativity in many marketing departments, equipping professionals to fill it with authentic, person-to-person narratives instead of just focusing on metrics.

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Special Guest!! Unboring Everything! Money20/20's VP Marketing Kathryn Frankson | Ep. 459

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson·2 months ago

Sustainable Marketing Creativity Requires Rigorous Process, Not Just Brainstorms

One-off creative hits are easy, but replicating them requires structure. Truly creative marketing integrates storytelling into a disciplined process involving data analysis (washups, SWAT), strategic planning, and commercial goals. This framework provides the guardrails needed to turn creative ideas into repeatable, impactful campaigns.

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Special Guest!! Unboring Everything! Money20/20's VP Marketing Kathryn Frankson | Ep. 459

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson·2 months ago

Over-Reliance on Last-Touch Attribution Kills Marketing Creativity

Solely judging marketing by last-touch attribution creates a false reality. This narrow metric consistently favors predictable channels like search and email, discouraging investment in brand building and creative storytelling that influence buyers throughout their journey. It's a losing battle if it's the only basis for decision-making.

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Special Guest!! Unboring Everything! Money20/20's VP Marketing Kathryn Frankson | Ep. 459

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson·2 months ago