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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast · Nov 14, 2025

Ally CMO Andrea Brimmer dismantles the brand vs. performance debate. Reframe it as 'demand generation' & 'demand capture' with shared KPIs.

Ally Makes Brand Health a C-Suite KPI, Not Just a Marketing Metric

To ensure brand is a shared responsibility, Ally includes brand health KPIs on the scorecards of the CEO, CFO, and other business leaders. This elevates brand from a marketing concern to a core business objective, fostering cross-functional alignment and accountability.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago

Ally Boosts Promotions by Wrapping Performance Tactics in Brand-Accretive Campaigns

Instead of running sterile, price-focused promotions, Ally first launches a creative, on-brand campaign to build cultural momentum. The performance-driving incentive is then introduced later, making the entire effort brand-accretive rather than brand-dilutive.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago

Ally CMO Replaces 'Brand vs. Performance' with 'Demand Generation vs. Capture' to Unify Teams

By changing the lexicon from an adversarial "versus" to a complementary "generation and capture," Ally's marketing team created a shared language. This simple reframe aligns disparate functions toward a common goal, dissolving internal friction and fostering collaboration.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago

Brand Marketing Isn't an Expense; It's a Performance Multiplier with 90% ROI Lift

Data shows that adding brand marketing to a performance-driven engine can increase median ROI by 90%. The persistent tension between brand and performance stems from short-termism and the allure of easily measured clicks, creating a false dichotomy between two essential functions.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago

Ally's CMO Restructured Her Org Around Capabilities, Not Traditional Marketing Functions

To modernize her team, Ally's CMO designed a new structure based on core capabilities (Insights, Execution, Creative, Measurement) rather than traditional functional silos. This model, benchmarked against other high-performing organizations, creates clearer ownership and a more effective workflow.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago

Ally Fosters Brand Ownership by Giving Every Employee Annual Stock Grants

Ally reinforces its "brand is everyone's job" mantra by giving every employee 100 shares of company stock annually. This creates a powerful owner's mindset, directly linking the company's success to the brand experience delivered by every individual, from the call center to the C-suite.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago

Ally's Women's Sports Sponsorship Drives an 87% More Efficient Customer Acquisition Cost

Ally proves the ROI of brand-building through its commitment to women's sports. The initiative resulted in a 6x higher likelihood of account openings and an 87% more efficient customer acquisition cost among fans, showing how purpose-driven marketing directly impacts performance.

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The Brand Builder's Playbook // Brand vs Performance Marketing: Why the Long Game Wins // With Andrea Brimmer (Ally)

The CMO Podcast·3 months ago