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How To Measure Brand with Preston Rutherford, Co-founder of Chubbies | Ep. 367

How To Measure Brand with Preston Rutherford, Co-founder of Chubbies | Ep. 367

The Marketing Millennials · Nov 19, 2025

Chubbies co-founder Preston Rutherford explains how to treat brand as performance by focusing on brand searches, contribution margin, and desirability.

Reframe All Marketing as Performance Marketing

Shift the mindset from a brand vs. performance dichotomy. All marketing should be measured for performance. For brand initiatives, use metrics like branded search volume per dollar spent to quantify impact and tie "fluffy" activities to tangible growth outcomes.

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The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago

Optimize Paid Social for Engagement, Not Just Conversion

Counterintuitively, dedicating budget to campaigns optimized for engagements, follows, and shares can be a powerful brand-building tool. This approach reaches more people less expensively than conversion campaigns, building an audience and 'searing memories' that lead to future demand, complementing direct response efforts.

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The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago

Embrace Being 'Hateable' to Become Lovable

A brand that tries to please everyone is memorable to no one. To build a truly strong brand, you must be willing to be disliked by some. Intentionally defining who your customer is *not* and creating polarizing content sharpens your identity, fostering a passionate community among those who love what you stand for.

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How To Measure Brand with Preston Rutherford, Co-founder of Chubbies | Ep. 367

The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago

Revisit Early, 'Unscalable' Tactics to Reignite Growth

As businesses scale, they often abandon the scrappy, creative tactics that sparked their initial growth. To combat rising ad costs and channel fatigue, intentionally revisit these early, 'unscalable' activities. Re-injecting that fun, different energy can generate the 'free memories' and reach needed for the next growth phase.

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How To Measure Brand with Preston Rutherford, Co-founder of Chubbies | Ep. 367

The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago

Use 'Desirability' as a Filter for Short-Term Decisions

When pressured to hit quarterly targets with promotions, use a simple filter: 'Does this action increase the long-term desirability of my full-price product?' This framework helps balance immediate revenue needs with the crucial goal of protecting and building brand equity, preventing a downward spiral of discounting.

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The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago

Deconstruct Celebrity Brands to Find a 'Free Reach' Playbook

Don't dismiss the success of celebrity brands as unattainable. Instead, analyze the core mechanism: massive 'free reach' and 'memory generation.' The takeaway isn't to hire a celebrity, but to find your own creative ways to generate a similar level of organic attention and build a tribe around your brand.

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How To Measure Brand with Preston Rutherford, Co-founder of Chubbies | Ep. 367

The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago

Focus on Contribution Margin, Not Revenue, as Your North Star

Escape the trap of chasing top-line revenue. Instead, make contribution margin (revenue minus COGS, ad spend, and discounts) your primary success metric. This provides a truer picture of business health and aligns the entire organization around profitable, sustainable growth rather than vanity metrics.

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The Marketing Millennials·3 months ago